Ow! My eyes!
Ow! My eyes!
May 17Really? Really, really? Fanboys like boobs is news and suddenly appalling? Did we cure cancer and I missed it? Is that why we have all this free time? I think I strained a muscle rolling my eyes at both sides (Seriously dude. Any rebuttal that includes “You obviously don’t or haven’t read Spider-Man in the past 20 years or you’d know this.” isn’t helping. Or winning, for that matter.)
Really, if and when Hughes ever designs the 70’s, Club 54, party-girl comiquette (why is nobody complaining about that word? Is it just me?) of Miss Watson, will there be enough spare outrage to rail against injustice? Perhaps it should be saved for a better shot than this.
But here we are. Fanboys – own up. You’re buying statue boobies and everybody knows it, you Maxim-wanking lunks, you. Offended fangirls, give ‘er, but I think in a world where Jae Lee art gets into the hands of tens of thousands of young men, a limited edition run of Spidercheesecake isn’t the best shot (but it’s generated a lot of discussion, so what do I know?) – I think of it like this; Spider-man has a day job and a night job, whereas Mary-Jane just has the day job, and it’s acting, so I think it’s very nice that she offered to do his laundry. This once…
…or maybe NOT! Maybe she’s going, “Tiger, this sweaty body suit stinks – and it’s dark, so please don’t throw it in with my lights.”
We just don’t know.
So, someone fill me in – how’d we conquer cancer?
[UPDATE]
Despite grumpily swearing I wasn’t going to fight this one, I kind of kept thinking about it. I still think this is a stupid battle for a good war. I’m now attempting alternatives.
I hope Matt’s post makes it onto When Fangirls Attack soon, but until then dear readers, go here.
Ahhhahahahahahahaha! Awesome. It’s like the office discussion rendered into reality.
Wow, Chris, I’m honestly a little bit disappointed.
The whole “This isn’t important cause we didn’t cure cancer” bit–SO redactive.
for me, at some point, the anger and frustration at this sexist, demeaning bullshit just bubbles over. I think this was the “one toke over the line.”
I’m sick of the resigned sigh, and so I’m switching to apoplectic rage, in the hope it will make me feel better.
I understand and I even agree. I had hoped that in the end I came down harder on the fanboys trying to defend the statue than on those against it. But they do get the eye-roll, both sides, for two simple reasons. There’s a lot, A LOT to rage at lately, and I’m too old to rage at everything – those days are past. And it was a picked fight – do we not suddenly remember the last 15 years of comic statues? Isn’t the art in some comics enough of a beachhead to get the party started? We had to pick this one?
And you just know the Fratboy-in-chief at Marvel is laughing his ass off all the way to the bank.
We can only come at this as individuals, and my stance was that women should take the shot, but I think it’s not the best opportunity, that the men defending the statue should walk away – they can buy it, but don’t tell us it’s redeeming. And overall, there are way bigger fish to fry.
And if I thought we humans were good at fighting ALL fights that need fighting, I’d let it go. But we’re not. This is eating up problem-solving time in a world where I see bigger problems (which I always define in terms of solving cancer, though I will admit that it’s a bit of a generalization.)
Sorry you’re disappointed, Matt. If it’s any small consolation, I don’t think we’re that far apart in the same book, I’m just sitting this one out.
I am glad you have a blog dedicated to advances in medicine. It is an important subject to engage in.
Zing!
And you’re right, to a point. Wait, do I have a medical blog? Do I contribute to one? Do I support research somewhere else, some other way?
Are you gaining ground in this statue battle here or is there a better place to make yourself heard?
I think for me, Chris, I just need to speak up when I see this, and it bothered me enough that I felt as though I needed to make a clear stand, and try to articulate my feelings in a place like Blog@Newsarama–to put my viewpoint straight in the face of the exact people who are most likely to shrug and let this shit keep going, or even worse, to support it through whatever fucked-up justification they develop.
Nothing’s going to change, but I feel better, and I hope I’ve put a fair alternate viewpoint into a realm where everyone has a voice.
Speak away – particularly if I’m not, you should.
Are you gaining ground in this statue battle here or is there a better place to make yourself heard?
And you are the authority on where I should focus my efforts, WHY exactly?
Also, the “better things to do/worse things happening” argument is SO OLD, and has been responded to so many times, it’s really getting irritating to see guys repeat ot over and over.
Why are you complaining about comics when women in Muslim countries are oppressed?
The More Important Things Fallacy! I love this one, because it combines an utter cluelessness of the impact of cultural artefacts on our, y’know, culture, with the arrogant assumption that complaining about comics is as far as your critic goes when it comes to women’s rights.
Your critic is probably more than mindful of the fact that women are oppressed, abused, raped, murdered and viciously slandered worldwide. Don’t you dare assume he or she is not doing something about it! And don’t you dare assume that just because they’re funny books, the portrayal of women in comics doesn’t feed from and into deeply disgusting misogynistic tropes. Sexism is everywhere. Your critic is choosing to fight it in at least one place they see it. That’s admirable, not risible.
What are you doing to help?
Please, next time you want to argue against a feminist position (and resistance to this statue IS a feminist position, though of cours debatable), go to this link: http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/index.php?entry=entry070415-071159, and make sure you aren’t being tiresome.
If I am a little snappy – I don’t apologize. You have no idea how irritating it is to hear smug men go on and on, using the same tired (and often, REPEATEDLY REFUTED) arguments, and acting as if they bring the Holy Grail of Logic and Reason to us poor benighted women.
For starters, I didn’t tell you anything, I told Ruthi.
And more importantly, I’m the authority on me (go ahead, ask me anything – I’m a me trivia master) and since I’m the focus of your efforts, I’m pretty sure I’m qualified to say if I’m a waste of time.
Now, what makes you think I’m trying to argue against a feminist position? Posting some other guy’s argument isn’t the same as replying to what I’ve posted.
As the authority on me, I’m pretty sure I had two points – I’m weary of the world and that while I’m not saying the war is bad, that I don’t know where this battle is going to go. Though since I first posted, it’s taken it to a national level, so that more of a return than I would have hoped for.
The thing with weariness is that you don’t want to fight symptoms anymore, you want to fight the cause (I made a later post, wherein I’m floating a suggestion on that – I’m hoping for more input.)
In the meantime, snap away. I don’t mind.